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		<title>By: Doug Stiff</title>
		<link>http://blog.aynrandcenter.org/the-forgotten-man-of-socialized-medicine-and-us/comment-page-1/#comment-1793</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Stiff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 02:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow!  As a medical doctor, I cannot agree more.  The lack of any discussion about the deterioration of medical care in the U.S. astounds me.  

Should Obama-care become a reality the older physicians will be in great demand, for they will be the last generation of excellence.  
No longer will the medical profession be the goal of the best and brightest!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow!  As a medical doctor, I cannot agree more.  The lack of any discussion about the deterioration of medical care in the U.S. astounds me.  </p>
<p>Should Obama-care become a reality the older physicians will be in great demand, for they will be the last generation of excellence.<br />
No longer will the medical profession be the goal of the best and brightest!</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Johnson</title>
		<link>http://blog.aynrandcenter.org/the-forgotten-man-of-socialized-medicine-and-us/comment-page-1/#comment-1749</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Debi,

    Are there no non-fictional men today who defend capitalism correctly?

    Indeed, there is at least one:   

 Health Care Ends Where The Barrel Of A Gun Begins
“Involuntary Servitude”

 	Make no mistake about it: socialized medicine is medical treatment at the point of a gun.  

	Under a single payer government plan, medical decisions will be taken out of  doctors’ hands and relinquished to the arbitrary whims of government.

	Morality can exist only where one is free to make decisions based on the facts of reality, combined with the relative scientific importance of those facts.  Once a gun is held to a doctor’s head, intelligent, rational decisions are rendered impossible.        
	 
	“This is war,” Dr. George Watson, a Kansas physician and president-elect of the American Association of Physicians and Surgeons, told Fox News Thursday [8/6/09]. “This is a bureaucratic boondoggle to grab control of health care.  Everything that has been
proposed in the 1,018 page bill will contribute to the ruination of medicine.” 
	
	Dr. Watson said the president’s reform bill is loaded with rules and regulations that will ultimately result in shoddy patient care and long waiting lines.  He blasted the bill as “insidious” by forcing doctors contracted with Medicare into the nationalized plan—a “trap” he described as “involuntary servitude.” 

  	Dr. Watson has it exactly right.  

	Moreover,  consider the fact that Medicare and Medicare are broke and running huge deficits.  And, no one is even acknowledging that 76 million Baby Boomers are turning 65 over the next 10 years. 
 
	In July 2007, the National Center For Policy Analysis, (ncpa.org) reported that Medicare claims 11 percent of  federal non-entitlement dollars.  By 2020, Medicare deficits will claim one in every five federal tax dollars that are not already dedicated to Medicare and Social Security.   And, the Congressional Budget Office’s non-politicized findings are that nationalized health care will cost taxpayers at least one trillion dollars.  This is money we do not have. The account is overdrawn.

	Lowering the cost of being insured under a tax-funded nationalized plan will put private insurers out of business since they will not be able to compete with a taxpayer-funded system.  Nationalization will destroy the very competition which has made our health care the best in the world.  The best doctors and medical professionals will quit their practices  under a system which dictates treatment decisions and tells them what they can charge for their services. 	

	It is both obscene and insane to advocate another national health care program. The government can’t even orchestrate a much less hurtful Cash For Clunker program.

	More importantly and fundamentally, national health care programs are legalized theft from taxpayers, their children, and their children’s children.  The only moral difference between a thug and a congressman is that the latter wears a suit.

	As one angry woman said at a recent town hall meeting, “There’s plenty of competition out there. Get out of our face!”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Debi,</p>
<p>    Are there no non-fictional men today who defend capitalism correctly?</p>
<p>    Indeed, there is at least one:   </p>
<p> Health Care Ends Where The Barrel Of A Gun Begins<br />
“Involuntary Servitude”</p>
<p> 	Make no mistake about it: socialized medicine is medical treatment at the point of a gun.  </p>
<p>	Under a single payer government plan, medical decisions will be taken out of  doctors’ hands and relinquished to the arbitrary whims of government.</p>
<p>	Morality can exist only where one is free to make decisions based on the facts of reality, combined with the relative scientific importance of those facts.  Once a gun is held to a doctor’s head, intelligent, rational decisions are rendered impossible.        </p>
<p>	“This is war,” Dr. George Watson, a Kansas physician and president-elect of the American Association of Physicians and Surgeons, told Fox News Thursday [8/6/09]. “This is a bureaucratic boondoggle to grab control of health care.  Everything that has been<br />
proposed in the 1,018 page bill will contribute to the ruination of medicine.” </p>
<p>	Dr. Watson said the president’s reform bill is loaded with rules and regulations that will ultimately result in shoddy patient care and long waiting lines.  He blasted the bill as “insidious” by forcing doctors contracted with Medicare into the nationalized plan—a “trap” he described as “involuntary servitude.” </p>
<p>  	Dr. Watson has it exactly right.  </p>
<p>	Moreover,  consider the fact that Medicare and Medicare are broke and running huge deficits.  And, no one is even acknowledging that 76 million Baby Boomers are turning 65 over the next 10 years. </p>
<p>	In July 2007, the National Center For Policy Analysis, (ncpa.org) reported that Medicare claims 11 percent of  federal non-entitlement dollars.  By 2020, Medicare deficits will claim one in every five federal tax dollars that are not already dedicated to Medicare and Social Security.   And, the Congressional Budget Office’s non-politicized findings are that nationalized health care will cost taxpayers at least one trillion dollars.  This is money we do not have. The account is overdrawn.</p>
<p>	Lowering the cost of being insured under a tax-funded nationalized plan will put private insurers out of business since they will not be able to compete with a taxpayer-funded system.  Nationalization will destroy the very competition which has made our health care the best in the world.  The best doctors and medical professionals will quit their practices  under a system which dictates treatment decisions and tells them what they can charge for their services. 	</p>
<p>	It is both obscene and insane to advocate another national health care program. The government can’t even orchestrate a much less hurtful Cash For Clunker program.</p>
<p>	More importantly and fundamentally, national health care programs are legalized theft from taxpayers, their children, and their children’s children.  The only moral difference between a thug and a congressman is that the latter wears a suit.</p>
<p>	As one angry woman said at a recent town hall meeting, “There’s plenty of competition out there. Get out of our face!”</p>
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		<title>By: Maria Martins, MD</title>
		<link>http://blog.aynrandcenter.org/the-forgotten-man-of-socialized-medicine-and-us/comment-page-1/#comment-1578</link>
		<dc:creator>Maria Martins, MD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 05:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wrote an article which was published on August 26, 2009 in www.mises.org titled Involuntary Medical Servitude.  Here is the link:
http://mises.org/story/3657</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote an article which was published on August 26, 2009 in <a href="http://www.mises.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.mises.org</a> titled Involuntary Medical Servitude.  Here is the link:<br />
<a href="http://mises.org/story/3657" rel="nofollow">http://mises.org/story/3657</a></p>
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		<title>By: Amir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 09:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting board and comments. I have written up many of these ideas on my site about health reform and I think anybody interested in this blog will find the information I have put together very salient. Many of the ideas are things I am studying right now at The Wharton School as an MBA, although I combine thoughts as a practitioner in industry as well.

Please do check it out!

www.satvathealthcare.com

All ad profits go to fight ulcerative colitis!

Best,

Amir</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting board and comments. I have written up many of these ideas on my site about health reform and I think anybody interested in this blog will find the information I have put together very salient. Many of the ideas are things I am studying right now at The Wharton School as an MBA, although I combine thoughts as a practitioner in industry as well.</p>
<p>Please do check it out!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.satvathealthcare.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.satvathealthcare.com</a></p>
<p>All ad profits go to fight ulcerative colitis!</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Amir</p>
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		<title>By: Healthcare: The Leftist Mentality &#171; Madison Objectivists</title>
		<link>http://blog.aynrandcenter.org/the-forgotten-man-of-socialized-medicine-and-us/comment-page-1/#comment-959</link>
		<dc:creator>Healthcare: The Leftist Mentality &#171; Madison Objectivists</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 03:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Players put on a performance in defense of &#8220;Single Payer Healthcare&#8221; (a facet of socialized medicine). But what does their &#8220;defense&#8221; consist in? How do they justify nationalizing an [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Healthcare: The Leftist Mentality &#171; StudentsofObjectivism</title>
		<link>http://blog.aynrandcenter.org/the-forgotten-man-of-socialized-medicine-and-us/comment-page-1/#comment-946</link>
		<dc:creator>Healthcare: The Leftist Mentality &#171; StudentsofObjectivism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 01:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Players put on a performance in defense of &#8220;Single Payer Healthcare&#8221; (a facet of socialized medicine). But what did their &#8220;defense&#8221; consist in? How did they justify their advocacy? They [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Players put on a performance in defense of &#8220;Single Payer Healthcare&#8221; (a facet of socialized medicine). But what did their &#8220;defense&#8221; consist in? How did they justify their advocacy? They [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Truth About Government-run Health Care :: Michael Island</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Truth About Government-run Health Care :: Michael Island</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 18:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Forgotten Man of Socialized Medicine and Us A blog post by Debi Ghate stressing a doctor&#8217;s right to practice medicine free from government intervention and patient&#8217;s right to purchase health care on a free market. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The Forgotten Man of Socialized Medicine and Us A blog post by Debi Ghate stressing a doctor&#8217;s right to practice medicine free from government intervention and patient&#8217;s right to purchase health care on a free market. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Pakizegee</title>
		<link>http://blog.aynrandcenter.org/the-forgotten-man-of-socialized-medicine-and-us/comment-page-1/#comment-928</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Pakizegee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 21:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you. I am an Iranian American and I also really liked you op-ed on what Obama should have said to Iran. Please talk about how FDR&#039;s &quot;second bill of rights&quot; started the talk about the right to health care, a home, ect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you. I am an Iranian American and I also really liked you op-ed on what Obama should have said to Iran. Please talk about how FDR&#8217;s &#8220;second bill of rights&#8221; started the talk about the right to health care, a home, ect.</p>
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		<title>By: margie conley</title>
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		<dc:creator>margie conley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 12:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent article.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Fitzgibbon</title>
		<link>http://blog.aynrandcenter.org/the-forgotten-man-of-socialized-medicine-and-us/comment-page-1/#comment-919</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Fitzgibbon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 04:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Debi - 

I&#039;m a Canadian citizen and recently communicated with Alex Epstein regarding socialized medicine. My message was that Americans need to realize that socialized medicine is not only morally reprehensible, but it DOES NOT WORK. For example, there is a critical shortage of family doctors in Ontario not because supply CAN&#039;T keep up with demand, but because supply WON&#039;T keep up with demand since the government makes it financially un-rewarding for doctors to set up family practices. 

My cousin is a Registered Nurse. Upon graduation from a leading Ontario university with honours, she was informed by the gov&#039;t of Ontario that she could be &quot;placed&quot; at a hospital in North Bay, Ontario - at CDN $35,000/year salary - and she should feel lucky because the gov&#039;t was laying off nurses at the time (because of a financial crises it created) Four years of hard work, training and actualization of her talent to get paid less than the garbage men  currently on strike in Toronto!

So she chose to emigrate to the United States instead, hired by a hospital in Ventura County, California for a starting salary of USD $101,000.

She informs me the top third of her graduating class either moved to the U.S., took jobs with elective surgery practices or work for private industries such as life and automobile insurance. But the bottom third all remained in Ontario at hospitals chosen by the government.

Americans in favour of socialized medicine should be aware that it will mean higher costs, less services and less-talented service providers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Debi &#8211; </p>
<p>I&#8217;m a Canadian citizen and recently communicated with Alex Epstein regarding socialized medicine. My message was that Americans need to realize that socialized medicine is not only morally reprehensible, but it DOES NOT WORK. For example, there is a critical shortage of family doctors in Ontario not because supply CAN&#8217;T keep up with demand, but because supply WON&#8217;T keep up with demand since the government makes it financially un-rewarding for doctors to set up family practices. </p>
<p>My cousin is a Registered Nurse. Upon graduation from a leading Ontario university with honours, she was informed by the gov&#8217;t of Ontario that she could be &#8220;placed&#8221; at a hospital in North Bay, Ontario &#8211; at CDN $35,000/year salary &#8211; and she should feel lucky because the gov&#8217;t was laying off nurses at the time (because of a financial crises it created) Four years of hard work, training and actualization of her talent to get paid less than the garbage men  currently on strike in Toronto!</p>
<p>So she chose to emigrate to the United States instead, hired by a hospital in Ventura County, California for a starting salary of USD $101,000.</p>
<p>She informs me the top third of her graduating class either moved to the U.S., took jobs with elective surgery practices or work for private industries such as life and automobile insurance. But the bottom third all remained in Ontario at hospitals chosen by the government.</p>
<p>Americans in favour of socialized medicine should be aware that it will mean higher costs, less services and less-talented service providers.</p>
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