Comments on: Green energy: neither free nor forever http://blog.aynrandcenter.org/green-energy-neither-free-nor-forever/ Mon, 24 Oct 2011 16:44:58 +0000 hourly 1 By: Kent McMillen http://blog.aynrandcenter.org/green-energy-neither-free-nor-forever/comment-page-1/#comment-3347 Kent McMillen Tue, 08 Jun 2010 14:39:20 +0000 http://blog.aynrandcenter.org/?p=4659#comment-3347 When oil was discoverd, the sellers of whale oil probably said: "Most of the lighting in America is from whale oil". We can't continue to do something,just because that's the way we've always done it! Free and forever means that the sun will always shine, and the wind will always blow. Sun and wind don't have to be mined or pumped. When oil was discoverd, the sellers of whale oil probably said: “Most of the lighting in America is from whale oil”. We can’t continue to do something,just because that’s the way we’ve always done it! Free and forever means that the sun will always shine, and the wind will always blow. Sun and wind don’t have to be mined or pumped.

]]> By: Scott Wilding http://blog.aynrandcenter.org/green-energy-neither-free-nor-forever/comment-page-1/#comment-2709 Scott Wilding Mon, 15 Mar 2010 11:51:21 +0000 http://blog.aynrandcenter.org/?p=4659#comment-2709 Surely you realise The 'FREE FOREVER' thing refers to anybody being able to access and use it (WIND-sailboat,windmill etc - I'd like to see you alone pull some fossil fuel out of the ground and run your car on it). Let's face it, GREEN fuels are a lot more 'free and forever' than oil or coal, and somewhat easier to access. It would also be very hard for elitists to fence it off and sell it at ridiculous cost. I AM NOT A GREENY and don't believe in co2 from industry being a major contributing factor to the climate change. I DO, however, believe that if you intend to 'educate' people you should not let your anger or distaste for certain subjects get in the way of the facts. I don't know if I've ever read an article of yours before, but you seem like such an intelligent person - and literate too(so many PC owners aren't), I'm sure you were just letting your passion get the better of you. By the way, I enjoyed your article, and also I mean no offence.I just feel the need for an alternative energy that cant be 'fenced off' or manipulated for the powers that be to suck the guts out of us all. Once again, no offence intended. Thanks for your time, Scott Wilding. Surely you realise The ‘FREE FOREVER’ thing refers to anybody being able to access and use it (WIND-sailboat,windmill etc – I’d like to see you alone pull some fossil fuel out of the ground and run your car on it).
Let’s face it, GREEN fuels are a lot more ‘free and forever’ than oil or coal, and somewhat easier to access.
It would also be very hard for elitists to fence it off and sell it at ridiculous cost.
I AM NOT A GREENY and don’t believe in co2 from industry being a major contributing factor to the climate change.
I DO, however, believe that if you intend to ‘educate’ people you should not let your anger or distaste for certain subjects get in the way of the facts.
I don’t know if I’ve ever read an article of yours before, but you seem like such an intelligent person – and literate too(so many PC owners aren’t), I’m sure you were just letting your passion get the better of you.
By the way, I enjoyed your article, and also I mean no offence.I just feel the need for an alternative energy that cant be ‘fenced off’ or manipulated for the powers that be to suck the guts out of us all.
Once again, no offence intended.
Thanks for your time, Scott Wilding.

]]> By: Rand Illusion « The Unemployed Blog http://blog.aynrandcenter.org/green-energy-neither-free-nor-forever/comment-page-1/#comment-2225 Rand Illusion « The Unemployed Blog Sat, 19 Dec 2009 16:34:12 +0000 http://blog.aynrandcenter.org/?p=4659#comment-2225 [...] “they’ve always been like that” in response. Now, keeping this scene in mind, let’s look at this article (the author of which seems to be under the impression that the sun switches off whenever a solar [...] [...] “they’ve always been like that” in response. Now, keeping this scene in mind, let’s look at this article (the author of which seems to be under the impression that the sun switches off whenever a solar [...]

]]> By: Damien http://blog.aynrandcenter.org/green-energy-neither-free-nor-forever/comment-page-1/#comment-2069 Damien Wed, 02 Dec 2009 00:46:42 +0000 http://blog.aynrandcenter.org/?p=4659#comment-2069 Mother of God! Is this really the level of argument climate change deniers have descended to? Ok, there is no doubt that obtaining energy from renewable resources is currently more expensive that non-renewable energy when we compare the level of energy produced, but that's why we have science. We can (and most believe must) find easier and more economical ways to do this. Isn't this the kind of innovation that Randists are supposed to believe in? As for your maintenance argument, really? REALLY? Look, nobody is suggesting that we can build machines that will last forever and never require maintenance (except of course Rand, what with her magical air-energy sucking engine). That's just science fiction. But Jesus, the wind doesn't stop whenever a turbine breaks down. The sun won't go into power-saving mode should a solar-panel somewhere require cleaning. What is it with Randists and your aversion to science and innovation? Why do you blanketly dismiss any scientific evidence that warns of global warming? Why are you so willing to reject any method of acquiring energy that isn't based on an oil-burning system that's over a hundred years old? With your average climate-change denier this is somewhat understandable, but you Randists are supposed to be champions of science and innovation. Every objectivist article on climate change I've encountered (and I mean literally every article) reads like that scene in Atlas Shrugged when Dagny has run off to her cabin and she's asking the women in the store why nobody fixes the road. "The road's always been like that" is quite similar to "we've always been burning oil". Mother of God! Is this really the level of argument climate change deniers have descended to? Ok, there is no doubt that obtaining energy from renewable resources is currently more expensive that non-renewable energy when we compare the level of energy produced, but that’s why we have science. We can (and most believe must) find easier and more economical ways to do this. Isn’t this the kind of innovation that Randists are supposed to believe in?

As for your maintenance argument, really? REALLY? Look, nobody is suggesting that we can build machines that will last forever and never require maintenance (except of course Rand, what with her magical air-energy sucking engine). That’s just science fiction. But Jesus, the wind doesn’t stop whenever a turbine breaks down. The sun won’t go into power-saving mode should a solar-panel somewhere require cleaning.

What is it with Randists and your aversion to science and innovation? Why do you blanketly dismiss any scientific evidence that warns of global warming? Why are you so willing to reject any method of acquiring energy that isn’t based on an oil-burning system that’s over a hundred years old? With your average climate-change denier this is somewhat understandable, but you Randists are supposed to be champions of science and innovation. Every objectivist article on climate change I’ve encountered (and I mean literally every article) reads like that scene in Atlas Shrugged when Dagny has run off to her cabin and she’s asking the women in the store why nobody fixes the road. “The road’s always been like that” is quite similar to “we’ve always been burning oil”.

]]> By: Steve D http://blog.aynrandcenter.org/green-energy-neither-free-nor-forever/comment-page-1/#comment-2019 Steve D Tue, 24 Nov 2009 04:23:50 +0000 http://blog.aynrandcenter.org/?p=4659#comment-2019 You didn't mention the safest most efficient form of energy we have. Nuclear! It’s the most practical, efficient and (minus the political costs) cheapest form of energy. Based on everything said above you would predict that Al Gore and the other environmentalists MUST almost by definition be strongly in favor of nuclear - I mean if they like solar , wind, geothermal etc. then logically nuclear which is as clean, safe, comes from the earth and DOES NOT BURN CARBON and actually produces massive amounts of energy must be their favorite. If it isn't then one might actually begin to question their motives... Steve You didn’t mention the safest most efficient form of energy we have. Nuclear! It’s the most practical, efficient and (minus the political costs) cheapest form of energy.

Based on everything said above you would predict that Al Gore and the other environmentalists MUST almost by definition be strongly in favor of nuclear – I mean if they like solar , wind, geothermal etc. then logically nuclear which is as clean, safe, comes from the earth and DOES NOT BURN CARBON and actually produces massive amounts of energy must be their favorite.

If it isn’t then one might actually begin to question their motives…

Steve

]]> By: Ed Powell http://blog.aynrandcenter.org/green-energy-neither-free-nor-forever/comment-page-1/#comment-2018 Ed Powell Tue, 24 Nov 2009 03:07:43 +0000 http://blog.aynrandcenter.org/?p=4659#comment-2018 Fossil fuels are no more "finite" than solar or wind. See Julian Simon's "The Ultimate Resource." Fossil fuels are no more “finite” than solar or wind. See Julian Simon’s “The Ultimate Resource.”

]]> By: matthew pakizegee http://blog.aynrandcenter.org/green-energy-neither-free-nor-forever/comment-page-1/#comment-2011 matthew pakizegee Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:44:13 +0000 http://blog.aynrandcenter.org/?p=4659#comment-2011 Thought you'd enjoy reading some of these peer reviewed skeptical articles on man made global warming. http://www.populartechnology.net/2009/10/peer-reviewed-papers-supporting.html Thought you’d enjoy reading some of these peer reviewed skeptical articles on man made global warming.
http://www.populartechnology.net/2009/10/peer-reviewed-papers-supporting.html

]]> By: Common Policies For Common Good | Green Energy http://blog.aynrandcenter.org/green-energy-neither-free-nor-forever/comment-page-1/#comment-2010 Common Policies For Common Good | Green Energy Sun, 22 Nov 2009 20:34:36 +0000 http://blog.aynrandcenter.org/?p=4659#comment-2010 [...] Green energy: neither free nor forever â?? VOICES for REASON [...] [...] Green energy: neither free nor forever â?? VOICES for REASON [...]

]]> By: garret seinen http://blog.aynrandcenter.org/green-energy-neither-free-nor-forever/comment-page-1/#comment-2007 garret seinen Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:26:27 +0000 http://blog.aynrandcenter.org/?p=4659#comment-2007 Good reasoning, free just means available, but you use the term 'fossil fuel'. Have you determine the claim that oil may have an abiotic origin to be groundless? Is there irrefutable science to confirm the fossil origin? Thanks, gs Good reasoning, free just means available, but you use the term ‘fossil fuel’. Have you determine the claim that oil may have an abiotic origin to be groundless? Is there irrefutable science to confirm the fossil origin?
Thanks, gs

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