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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://blog.aynrandcenter.org/climategate-a-green-conspiracy/comment-page-1/#comment-2231</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 06:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you seen the movie Avatar? Josef Goebbels would be proud....
It is amazing what propaganda the Green movement can put out with a couple hundred million in special effects at their disposal. It is one of the most disgraceful anti-capitalism movies I have ever seen....and like you, I have seen 100&#039;s lately...(I am still waiting for the first anti-big government fat-cat movie to come out of Hollywood. I won&#039;t hold my breath...) I only hope movements like objectivism and the tea party&#039;s are not too late to save this once great republic!

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John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you seen the movie Avatar? Josef Goebbels would be proud&#8230;.<br />
It is amazing what propaganda the Green movement can put out with a couple hundred million in special effects at their disposal. It is one of the most disgraceful anti-capitalism movies I have ever seen&#8230;.and like you, I have seen 100&#8242;s lately&#8230;(I am still waiting for the first anti-big government fat-cat movie to come out of Hollywood. I won&#8217;t hold my breath&#8230;) I only hope movements like objectivism and the tea party&#8217;s are not too late to save this once great republic!</p>
<p>Sincerely,<br />
John</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Dykes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicholas Dykes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 19:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good stuff!  Keep it up.  With you 100%.  N.D.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good stuff!  Keep it up.  With you 100%.  N.D.</p>
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		<title>By: Sindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If one’s standard of what would make the “world a better place” is out of touch with reality, then it’s not surprising that one will find that one can only advance one’s moral agenda through deception and dishonesty.

The real lesson here is much deeper than some silly conspiracy-theory. It is the role of fundamental ideas in shaping political and cultural events. The real lesson is that ideas matter.&quot;

Absolutely the best comment I&#039;ve read yet concerning climate change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If one’s standard of what would make the “world a better place” is out of touch with reality, then it’s not surprising that one will find that one can only advance one’s moral agenda through deception and dishonesty.</p>
<p>The real lesson here is much deeper than some silly conspiracy-theory. It is the role of fundamental ideas in shaping political and cultural events. The real lesson is that ideas matter.&#8221;</p>
<p>Absolutely the best comment I&#8217;ve read yet concerning climate change.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Dave McK</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave McK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s easy enough to get the emails and the other files. A firsthand look will give you the right to draw a conclusion. There are 1073 text
files, so it will take a while. Interestingly, I was unable to cherry pick anything that wasn&#039;t about fudging, faking, supressing dissent, 
ousting editors, etc.
It didn&#039;t take thousands of scientists to conspire- it only took a handful to fake the data everybody else relied on.

The person who deserves the Pulitzer Prize for investigative journalism is Steve McIntyre at http://climateaudit.org/  where dissection of the details is being done. The trick was to HIDE.
Is there a synonym for the word HIDE than means anything other than HIDE?

http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/archives/science_policy_general/000318chris_landsea_leaves.html   the apocalyptics were  disgusting people for a long time over at IPCC. note Pielke in the old posts, too. 

If you ask a scientist why nothing can move faster than the speed of light, he doesn’t tell you a terrible story about how koala bears will 
die if you don’t believe the theory is right, does he?
The UN served this to the children of the world:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_9mjBUSDng
This makes me very angry.

CO2 is not a pollutant nor will the climate be affected by 40 trillion dollars worth of lightweight, highly reflective Precautionary 
Headgear guaranteed to keep you cool in any weather. What&#039;s the benefit of a multi-trillion dollar carbon derivatives bubble?

From an 11 year old:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_G_-SdAN04 home schooled, I’ll bet a dollar.

http://joannenova.com.au/2009/12/fraudulent-hockey-sticks-and-hidden-data/#more-4660 nice aggregation (with reference links)
http://joannenova.com.au/2009/12/smoking-guns-across-australia-wheres-the-warming/ individual plots of raw australian data.
She deserves the Pulitzer too.

Norman Davies on propaganda
Five Rules of Propaganda:
1) endless repetition, repeating the same messages over and over with different variations and combinations
2. Disfiguration: discrediting the opposition with slander and crude parodies
3. Unanimity: presenting your point of view as if every right headed person agrees with it while smearing those who doubt it using appeals 
of famous people, experts and so called consensus; hiding/ excluding others from the underlying basis / information of your position.
4. Transfusion: manipulating the prevailing values of the public to your own advantage
5. Simplification: reducing all facts into a comparison between ‘good and evil’ and ‘friends and enemies’

What the fellows at East Anglia and elsewhere were doing was not science.
When you actually put your own eyes on the raw data, you see what you see.

http://icecap.us/images/uploads/antarctica_white_paper_final.pdf

Jones ’stepped aside’, Mann ‘under investigation, Gore cancels Copenhagen speech, APA petition demands repudiation of the fraud, senators investigating on the hill...

The emails and programmer’s notes reveal the vast context of ten years of intellectual corruption. They were not doing science- they were 
disgracing it.

The globe has been getting warmer. That’s why you can plant corn in Iowa and wheat in Kansas and why Canadians frolic in the snow. The 
glaciers melted. I’ll have more of that, please.

The IPCC will investigate itself.
Already 1700 subjects (scientists) have been compelled to sign a loyalty oath affirming the outcome of it in advance of its completion, so you may be sure consensus will emerge in due course.

Meanwhile, the world turns without their help or hindrance.   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFbUVBYIPlI 

Hey- the Bible has had over 2000 years of peer review by experts and they all agree Jesus was the son of God. The Pope didn&#039;t shut down the Vatican when Darwin published Origin of the Species. We didn&#039;t hear Nixon announce &quot;I am a crook&quot; or Clinton admit &quot;I inhaled and I had sex with that woman.&quot; so we probably shouldn&#039;t anticipate confessions.

This is climatequiddick, actually. A -gate is when a scandal is unearthed by honest investigative journalism and the crook who committed it is hounded out of office. A -quiddick is a scandal characterised by the mainstream media studiously ignoring it and praising the perpetrator who keeps office until he dies. Semantic quibble for the ironically pedantic.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s easy enough to get the emails and the other files. A firsthand look will give you the right to draw a conclusion. There are 1073 text<br />
files, so it will take a while. Interestingly, I was unable to cherry pick anything that wasn&#8217;t about fudging, faking, supressing dissent,<br />
ousting editors, etc.<br />
It didn&#8217;t take thousands of scientists to conspire- it only took a handful to fake the data everybody else relied on.</p>
<p>The person who deserves the Pulitzer Prize for investigative journalism is Steve McIntyre at <a href="http://climateaudit.org/" rel="nofollow">http://climateaudit.org/</a>  where dissection of the details is being done. The trick was to HIDE.<br />
Is there a synonym for the word HIDE than means anything other than HIDE?</p>
<p><a href="http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/archives/science_policy_general/000318chris_landsea_leaves.html" rel="nofollow">http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/prometheus/archives/science_policy_general/000318chris_landsea_leaves.html</a>   the apocalyptics were  disgusting people for a long time over at IPCC. note Pielke in the old posts, too. </p>
<p>If you ask a scientist why nothing can move faster than the speed of light, he doesn’t tell you a terrible story about how koala bears will<br />
die if you don’t believe the theory is right, does he?<br />
The UN served this to the children of the world:<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_9mjBUSDng" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_9mjBUSDng</a><br />
This makes me very angry.</p>
<p>CO2 is not a pollutant nor will the climate be affected by 40 trillion dollars worth of lightweight, highly reflective Precautionary<br />
Headgear guaranteed to keep you cool in any weather. What&#8217;s the benefit of a multi-trillion dollar carbon derivatives bubble?</p>
<p>From an 11 year old:<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_G_-SdAN04" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_G_-SdAN04</a> home schooled, I’ll bet a dollar.</p>
<p><a href="http://joannenova.com.au/2009/12/fraudulent-hockey-sticks-and-hidden-data/#more-4660" rel="nofollow">http://joannenova.com.au/2009/12/fraudulent-hockey-sticks-and-hidden-data/#more-4660</a> nice aggregation (with reference links)<br />
<a href="http://joannenova.com.au/2009/12/smoking-guns-across-australia-wheres-the-warming/" rel="nofollow">http://joannenova.com.au/2009/12/smoking-guns-across-australia-wheres-the-warming/</a> individual plots of raw australian data.<br />
She deserves the Pulitzer too.</p>
<p>Norman Davies on propaganda<br />
Five Rules of Propaganda:<br />
1) endless repetition, repeating the same messages over and over with different variations and combinations<br />
2. Disfiguration: discrediting the opposition with slander and crude parodies<br />
3. Unanimity: presenting your point of view as if every right headed person agrees with it while smearing those who doubt it using appeals<br />
of famous people, experts and so called consensus; hiding/ excluding others from the underlying basis / information of your position.<br />
4. Transfusion: manipulating the prevailing values of the public to your own advantage<br />
5. Simplification: reducing all facts into a comparison between ‘good and evil’ and ‘friends and enemies’</p>
<p>What the fellows at East Anglia and elsewhere were doing was not science.<br />
When you actually put your own eyes on the raw data, you see what you see.</p>
<p><a href="http://icecap.us/images/uploads/antarctica_white_paper_final.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://icecap.us/images/uploads/antarctica_white_paper_final.pdf</a></p>
<p>Jones ’stepped aside’, Mann ‘under investigation, Gore cancels Copenhagen speech, APA petition demands repudiation of the fraud, senators investigating on the hill&#8230;</p>
<p>The emails and programmer’s notes reveal the vast context of ten years of intellectual corruption. They were not doing science- they were<br />
disgracing it.</p>
<p>The globe has been getting warmer. That’s why you can plant corn in Iowa and wheat in Kansas and why Canadians frolic in the snow. The<br />
glaciers melted. I’ll have more of that, please.</p>
<p>The IPCC will investigate itself.<br />
Already 1700 subjects (scientists) have been compelled to sign a loyalty oath affirming the outcome of it in advance of its completion, so you may be sure consensus will emerge in due course.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, the world turns without their help or hindrance.   <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFbUVBYIPlI" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFbUVBYIPlI</a> </p>
<p>Hey- the Bible has had over 2000 years of peer review by experts and they all agree Jesus was the son of God. The Pope didn&#8217;t shut down the Vatican when Darwin published Origin of the Species. We didn&#8217;t hear Nixon announce &#8220;I am a crook&#8221; or Clinton admit &#8220;I inhaled and I had sex with that woman.&#8221; so we probably shouldn&#8217;t anticipate confessions.</p>
<p>This is climatequiddick, actually. A -gate is when a scandal is unearthed by honest investigative journalism and the crook who committed it is hounded out of office. A -quiddick is a scandal characterised by the mainstream media studiously ignoring it and praising the perpetrator who keeps office until he dies. Semantic quibble for the ironically pedantic.  :)</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent commentary. One thing: there seems to be a typo in the last quote used. The &quot;one&quot; in &quot;One the other hand, we are not just scientists but human beings as well&quot; should be &quot;on&quot; right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent commentary. One thing: there seems to be a typo in the last quote used. The &#8220;one&#8221; in &#8220;One the other hand, we are not just scientists but human beings as well&#8221; should be &#8220;on&#8221; right?</p>
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